Frequently asked questions

On this page frequently asked questions and their answers can be found.

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What do you take into account breeding dogs ?
Do the dogs have a pedigree?
Do kelpies have health issues?
Why are you not members of a recognized kelpie organisation?
How would you describe the character of the breed?
Can you keep the kelpie as a house dog?
Do kelpies swim?
Do kelpies interact well with other animals?
Australian kelpie versus Working kelpie
Are kelpies difficult dogs to keep?
Do you, as a breeder, follow up on the dogs?
Are kelpies family dogs?
Do you have a waiting list?
Do you give guarantees?
I can see that you often use the same male dogs, why is this?
I see that you use some bitches more than others, why is this?
Will you watch my dog while we are on holiday?
Why are you such a large breeder?
What feed do you use?
How do you deal with complaints?
Is everyone allowed to join the activities offered?
What do you use to wean the pups?
Are you a society?
How does the payment work?
What are the costs of a pup?
When am I allowed to pick up the dog?
What is your opinion about Barfen?
Are we obligated to show our dog?
Why are we still occasionally attending these dog shows?

What do you take into account breeding dogs?


Before breeding any of our dogs HD and PRA (eyes) examinations and also heart examination are conducted. We do not breed dogs with eye problems. Before breeding we have the eyes examined and we will repeat this after a couple of years. Because the population of Australian kelpies is relatively small we will breed dogs with HD A and HD B, we try to match HD B dogs with HD A dogs where possible. Sometimes this means we have to travel for miles to get the right breeding combinations. Besides this we also keep up with research into the MDR1 gene deficiency and patella Luxatie. We will also keep family resemblances in mind. Besides the health and family aspects we value a working attitude and a friendly character in our dogs. Kelpies are social dogs and we like to keep it that way.

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Do the dogs have a pedigree?


We only breed Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) recognised dogs. Our pups therefore will get a pedigree of the ‘Raad van Beheer’, the Dutch Kennel Club.

Do kelpies have health issues?

Of course kelpies have, like any other breed, health issues. However because of the relative small population size there are relative few health problems in this breed. The breed has gained in popularity the last few years and one can see that some breeders are starting to take less notice of health aspects when breeding the dogs. It remains a question for now what the future will bring for this breed. Our dogs are all tested for HD, PRA, heartdefects (Color Doppler) and MDR1 gene deficiency, making it less likely for those problems to occur. It does occur that the testes of the males do not always descend. Sometimes demodex (yought scabies) occurs, but this is very treatable, dental problems, brain disease (CA, although this is very rare and sometimes gets mistaken for epilepsy), epilepsy, food allergies/intolerances, heart problems, etc etc. In general all of these problems are, luckily, very rare and all our pups get examined by a vet before leaving to their new homes. More important is that we always look at family histories (this includes health aspects) before breeding any dog.

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Why are you not members of a recognized kelpie organisation?

We are of opinion that, just as in many other organizations, there are to much conflicts of interest. Furthermore we do not feel that such organizations have to offer us something more and substantial, our priorities are different. In our kennel the dog is our main focus, it concerns health and character. Furthermore we are of opinion that there should not be any breeders part of the board, because of the earlier mentioned conflicts of interest.

How would you describe the character of the breed?

We experience the kelpie as an active, open and friendly dog that mostly enjoys being in the company of people.

Is it necessary to sport with the dog?

No, it is not necessary to participate in any of the different types of dog sports. More important is that you provide the dog with sufficient exercise and diversion. This can also be achieved, when old enough, by walking, cycling, etc with your dog.

Can you keep the kelpie as a house dog?

Of course, this the way in which we keep our dogs. Our dogs are a lot outside, but they also spent a lot of time indoors. Our experience is that they are well kept inside when provided with enough exercise and attention.

Do kelpies swim?

Kelpies are no swimming dogs in origin, but if you accustom the dog with water from a young age it might start enjoying it. On the many photos on the site there can be seen that you can find a lot of the kelpies in the water, but remember: there are also kelpies who don’t even want to go outside when it is raining!

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Do kelpies interact well with other animals?

If you socialize your dog with other animals it is usually not a problem. Some kelpies behave dominant towards other dogs (usually of the same sexe), but this seems to be more individually than breed bound.

Australian kelpie versus Working kelpie

What is the difference between an Australian and a Working kelpie?
An Australian kelpie comes with a pedigree and has to fulfil the breeds standards. Within the Australian kelpie you have work dogs and individuals where the work trait is less strong, but they always remain working dogs. Working kelpies do not have pedigrees or a pedigree from the working kelpie counseling. Focus is that the work ethic of the dogs remains. This is why they all look very different from one another and in general they are slightly more nervous dogs than the Australian kelpies. During breeding there is less focus on family relations. The goal always remains the work ethic of the dog, although even within the working kelpies there are individuals less suited for work. Some breeders of kelpies with pedigrees will promote them as working kelpies. Kelpies with a pedigree however are always Australian kelpies that need to meet the breeds standards. Sometimes they are called working kelpies, because the breeder wants to accentuate the work character of the dogs. The Pure Bred Working kelpies are a bit more similar in appearances. They are often a bit more long legged, short haired and have so called tanpoints. There are also the colour variations black & tan and red & tan, this does not necessarily mean they are working kelpies! These colour variations are officially recognized within the Australian kelpies breed standard.
Actually you have one kelpie and 2 types :)

Are kelpies difficult dogs to keep?

We don’t think they are difficult to handle, but they do have high work spirits and are grouped under the FCI 1 dogs (shepherds and sheep dog). The kelpie does have a few clear breed characteristics and raising them in a consequent and confident way is recommended. Mainly people with no dog experience can have some trouble keeping this breed. However we find that people used to keeping bearded collies, Labradors, golden retrievers, etc, sometimes experience more problems keeping this breed than people without any experience at all. The kelpie is a dog that needs to be kept busy, physically as well physiology.

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Do you, as a breeder, follow up on the dogs?

We like to stay in touch with our buyers, but it is not an obligation! We feel that the first year of development of the dog is important to know. Most inheritable diseases will start showing a dogs first life year. If something really problematic occurs we can keep this is in mind for our breeding programme, assist the buyer and if necessary compensate. Last mentioned is only possible however if the buyer keeps us updated and assist in a respectful, normal relationship trying to solve the problem. Working with life animals means that sometimes things happen that can’t be foreseen or prevented.

Are kelpies family dogs?

Yes they are. Kelpies are in general very fond of children and turn out to be fun play mates. A lot of our kelpies found homes in families with young children. An energetic environment however does mean an energetic dog!

Do you have a waiting list?

This is a regularly asked question. And yes, in general, we do have some people noted down with an interest in kelpies. A waiting list is constantly changing however, people can change their minds or at the moment pups are available it might turn out not be the right time. Furthermore detailed preferences can make it more difficult, because it someone for example wants a bitch, we do not take into account that a male might be a possibility as well. If that is the case it is better to say that the preferred dog would be a bitch but that a male will be considered as well. Good communication is very important! It is very useful if you want to be noted down on the list to keep showing interest and come to visit the kennel at least ones to meet the dogs. The way we work is that as soon as a litter is born we contact the people on the list. If the preferred dog is not in the litter we will let you know as well.

Do you give guarantees?

Yes we do. However most people would like to see a life long guarantee and a 10 years maintenance contract and even though that would be ideal, it is not possible. Because the descending of the bal is a returning issue in the breed, we do offer a compensation when the problem occurs. If they are not descended after a year we will, with a written declaration of a vet, return part of the price. The same is valid if the dog develops a clear over or under bite. Pups can leave with a perfect set of dentals, but can obtain an over or under bite because of irregular growth. The other way around is possible as well, they can leave with a small irregularity in their dentals, but this could be corrected during growth. If sincere inheritable diseases occur in the first year (for example CA) we will, after consulting a vet, return a big part of the price. This is also based on a bit of trust and therefore we ask people to keep us updated. If we are not aware of the problem we can’t assist or take it into account for our breeding programme. We rely on the information we receive from buyers.

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I can see that you often use the same male dogs, why is this?

This is corrects, we often use the same male dogs if they are healthy and produce healthy offspring. We have also used male dogs from outside our own kennel and as long as they are healthy and produce healthy offspring with character, we have or will use them more often. We offer serious guarantees and like to offer dogs as healthy as possible, keeping in mind that we work with living animals. That does not mean we don’t want our buyers to get a dog that has a good possibility of growing up to life a healthy life. A couple of times male dogs outside our kennel have produced pups with ‘unwished’ characteristics. We don’t want to apply that this is all to blame on the male dog as also the breeding combination could be genetically wrong. Anyway we don’t see any harm in repeating a breeding combination if the resulting pups are to our liking. For the genetic variety in the population it would be better to diversify the combinations as much as possible, but not everyone is interested in breeding. On the other hand we will drive over 2400 km if necessary for a breeding combination we think will give a good litter. In our kennel we have five male dogs of our own .

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I see that you use some bitches more than others, why is this?

We stick to the rules of the “Raad van Beheer” (Dutch Kennel Club). These have been recently altered giving us more factors to keep in mind whilst breeding besides the health and condition of the dogs. We have a preference for mating a bitch on an early age and than leave her for a couple of years. After a couple of years (dependant on health and condition) we will have her mated a couple times in a row. This because we have the opinion that an adult bitch, when in good health and condition, can easily have a few litters in a row. A young bitch however first should get the chance to grow and develop before having a litters. Besides this it gives us a chance to see how the pups from the first litter will develop and grow into adulthood. Because of the new rules from the “Raad van Beheer” this isn’t possible anymore, unless you want very few litters with your bitch. The maximum amount of litters a bitch, no matter what breed, is allowed to have is five. As can be seen on our website we have only one bitch so far who has had five litters. Up till this day she is still in very good condition despite the fact that she has been sterilized in the mean time. Most of our bitches will most likely never have as many litters as five however. Furthermore we do not focus on the number of litters a bitch has, but on the amount of pups in a litter. A bitch who has had litters of three, five and six pups in twenty-one months is an entire different story from a bitch who had litters of nine and eleven in the same amount of months. These last numbers are not the litter sizes we expect from our dogs, we think mainly because they have a lot of freedom to express their natural behaviors in our living area. The new rules of the “Raad van Beheer” state that their should be a minimum of ten months in between each litter. We do agree to this rules, because there will also be breeders who will not care as much in what condition their dog is. There are big differences as we are concerned in the appearances of the individual dogs. Some meet the breed standards a lot better than others do in our opinion. We also take this into account thinking about the number of times we will use a bitch to breed with.

Will you watch my dog while we are on holiday?

No, we do not take dogs in boarding! We do not have the means to provide this service and it does not mix very well with our own pack of dogs.

Why are you such a large breeder?

This is not a question many people ask, but we do have the idea that it comes to a lot of peoples mind, therefore we are happy to answer it. First of all; large is a subjective word. Perhaps we have relatively a lot of dogs, but without wanting to sound arrogant we think we can afford having this many kelpies. We live in an agricultural area with half a hectare around the house and the passion and energy to work with our dogs. Some of our dogs have been sterilized because of their age, but their age does not mean we want to get rid of them! We also don’t like to put them down, so as long as they can still enjoy a qualitatively good life they can grow old with us. Then we also have a couple of male dogs, so the actual number of breeding bitches (we don’t really like to refer to them this way) is not that large. Furthermore we are not really fond of placement dogs, although we can see that a lot of breeders don’t really have a choice looking at their living circumstances. With a placement dog we mean a dog of which the breeder remains ownership and is allowed to use the dog for breeding. This is a different story from a dog that is sold with a breeding clausal (this means the dogs use for breeding by the breeder is limited, for example one litter, before the buyer gains complete ownership of the dog). Besides the fact that we think we can afford to have this many dogs, for the previously mentioned reasons, we also think that it is a good way to get a complete picture of a breed. True the many different dogs the breed characteristics and individual differences will show. Experience and knowledge in keeping and breeding dogs is just as important as theoretical knowledge.

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What feed do you use?

At the moment we mainly feed our dogs Eukanuba lamb & rice and meat from Ropadog, Renske meat and a variety of ready made fresh meats, such as Duck. We also have good experiences with Farm Food (biological feed). Of course there will be more good dog feeds on the market, but these are the ones we have good experiences with.

How do you deal with complaints?

If people have serious complaints and communicate those to us in a normal way, we will definitely take them serious. With normal we do not mean someone calling us while being under influence and shouting. Besides this we will also have a better idea of the illness when people have stayed in touch (even if it is just occasionally) and not tell us about a problem after three years for example. Like discussed before we have reasonable guarantee arrangements. Of course we do assume these are used in a trustworthy manner. Vet declarations are necessary and in some cases we accompany the owners to the vet, especially if we can learn something from it. If people have trouble raising their kelpie and have questions, we are more then willing to offer help and answers. Unfortunally you also get people who should not buy a kelpie, or any other living animal for that matter. We try to inform possible buyer thoroughly and sometimes get told that we focus to much on the negative sides of the breed. We have this rather than people getting rid of their dog after two years however. If we do not know anything we can not help with complaints! This is also impossible if we have no idea at all of the disease and disease development.

Is everyone allowed to join the activities offered?

We organize a couple of kennel activities each year. Those are mainly aimed at our buyers or buyers from befriended breeders. The goal is primarily to have a good time and give people the opportunity to exchange experiences. If you do not have one of our dogs and we have not met before but you would like to join, please ring us and ask information concerning the possibilities.

Are you a society?

No and we have no intentions to become one. There are many dog societies one can join, each with their own specific goals.

What do you use to wean the pups?

We have a strict policy concerning the birth and feeding of the pups. It starts with the fact that we will not bottle feed any of the pups although it is hard to see a pup slowly die. Still we are of the opinion that the start of any pet should be a good one. This means that if a pup is not able to develop on its own we do no intervene, we have lost several pups this way. Depending on the development of the pups we start feeding Bambix (preferably vanilla as they enjoy this) with Roosvicee one to three days a week if the pups are three weeks old. Later on in the development we will start feeding soaked puppy feed from Eukanuba and some other brands, such as Proplan fish, Duck energique or Renske. Preferably we give them a variety of feeds to offer a complete diet.

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How does the payment work?

We are asking for a pre-payment of 300 when you planned to collect the pup at the age at 8 weeks and 800 Euro when you planned to collect the pup at the age of 15 weeks, as soon as the pups are born and appear to be healthy. This pre-payment can not be refunded under any circumstances, unless the dog dies premature. Why do we ask for a pre-payment? Unfortunately we have the experience that some people cancel on us in the week the pups are supposed to be picked up. In the mean time other potential buyers have been notified about alternative litters and investments have been and need to be made concerning health care, socialization and training (house training, etc). New efforts have to be made as well to find a new buyer. With the pre-payment we cover our costs in the first eight weeks and hope to avoid people who impulsively buy a dog. The rest of the payment can be transferred before the pup is picked up or paid in cash at the pick up day.

What are the costs of a pup?

Currently they cost 900 Euro excluding 21% VAT (total 1088 Euro) when they leave at the age of 8 weeks, despite gender, colour or breeding combination. All of our pups are worth the same. When they leave at the age of 15 weeks the costs will be 1185 Euro including VAT (the amount of 100 Euro is for the extra vaccinations) .If the dog leaves for his new home he has been checked by a vet and had all of his first injections, by 15 weeks all his vaccinations including Rabiës. They also have pedigrees and in case of a foreign transaction an export pedigree and a European passport.
 I do also ask an advance payment of 200 euro's if the pup is reserved for someone abroad. If no pups are born (or not a pup from the gender that you want) you will of course receive a full refund.

 

Does the name for the dog need to start with a certain letter?

We will give the pups their official names.

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When am I allowed to pick up the dog?

You can pick them up with 8 weeks or with 15 weeks.

What is your opinion about Barfen?

This seems to be very popular at the moment. It is a good way of feeding your dog if you make sure that you are consequent in the preparation and add the necessary minerals & vitamins. This method is more expensive however than feeding A brands such as Eukanuba Lamb & Rice or Proplan Salmon. Unfortunally we often hear that people choose the cheap option and pick up left over meat and ‘forget’ to add minerals & vitamins. Inconsequential preparation of this type of feeding can have harmful consequences on the long run. Pity! We are therefore not really fond of Barfen.

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Are we obligated to show our dog?

No you are not! We are not fond of dog shows ourselves. Not only because we and our dogs do not enjoy these events, but also because people get wrong impressions. On a show health and character are not taken into account and not important. The focus is completely on the appearance of the dog (and while shower the dog as well as the shower). A dog that is not healthy but is showed in a good way can become a champion.

Why are we still occasionally attending these dog shows?

Primarily because we are expected to go there and we received a lot of critics when we stopped completely. Secondarily because those events do provide good shopping occasions. The results we receive are very varied; usually the results are rather negative when we show the dogs ourselves and positive when we asked experienced handlers to show them.

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